on Tuesday, 09 January 2018 16:42. Posted in News

Over 200 Years Of Combined Numismatic Experience At Your Disposal.

  January 2018 Issue

Copper Spots

By Warren Mills

I recently received an urgent call from a good customer about his 102 US Buffalo Gold Bullion Coins that are .9999 fine gold.  He was concerned because a couple of the pieces had small copper spots on them.  With the amount of counterfeit bullion in the marketplace, he was concerned about them possibly being fake.  He could not understand how with so much purity of gold that there could be enough copper to show through.  He thought for sure that the coins were fake. 
 
I explained to him that even though they are so pure, that other metals are still mined with the gold.  The US has used copper as a hardening metal with US gold since the inception of minting US gold coins.  Many dealers even look at copper spots as an assurance of the coin being genuine!  Many coins from other countries have the same copper spotting that can result during the annealing process.  I’ve seen many Canadian Gold Maple Leafs and a huge amount of Chinese Panda Gold Coins with annealing spots.  So please rest easy, the coins are genuine.

on Thursday, 07 December 2017 17:14. Posted in News

Over 200 Years Of Combined Numismatic Experience At Your Disposal.

  December 2017 Issue

 

The 2017 Baltimore Show

By Warren Mills

Welcome to the December issue of The Rare Coin Enthusiast.  November was a whirlwind of activity for us.  We are seeing a huge amount of people coming in with coins to sell!  It got to the point that we were overwhelmed.  Alas, most are the usual instances of boxes of proof & mint sets, along with quantities of junk silver.  Very few people are coming in with any scarcer coins and when they do, we recommend that they consider certifying, CACing or holding on to them if they can.  We put a price on everything, but at some point, we feel that really choice material will enter a favorable up cycle again and that now is not the time to sell.  It is true that the base of clients for top quality coins is shrinking due to the aging demographics.  However, there are a handful of new serious buyers coming in with a more educated approach and striving for quality.  One affluent collector has spent over $100 million in a quest to assemble an Eliasberg Collection of top quality US coins in a very short time!  The future for top quality coins may finally be bright again.

on Tuesday, 21 November 2017 20:25. Posted in News

Suspect Passing Counterfeit Gold

The Numismatic Crime Information Center is assisting the Ohio Attorney General's Office in identifying the suspect pictured below who sold a victim over $12,000 in counterfeit one ounce gold Perth bars. The victim contacted the suspect through a listing on Craigs List.

 

Anyone with information should contact:

 

John Costello
Criminal Investigator - Economic Crimes Unit Consumer Protection Section Cincinnati Office of Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine
Direct: (513)852-1534
Fax:  (866)461-8089
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or

Doug Davis

817-723-7231

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The Numismatic Crime Information Center is a 501 (c)(3) non-profit
corporation. P.O. Box 14080 Arlington, Texas 76094.

This was an email update by The Numismatic Crime Information Center.

on Wednesday, 15 November 2017 15:58. Posted in News

By Warren Mills

It’s always a quick one hour flight to Baltimore which makes it a pleasure to get too!  A major show so close is always wonderful to attend.  I arrived a day early to see dealers that were showing their wares in hotel suites.  It gives me an opportunity to see coins early on that I may miss if I wait for the start of the show and also allows me to get coins that are saved for me by dealers that appreciate our focus for original strictly graded coins.  You have to pay for the privilege but it is well worth it in the long run.  We never want to compromise our standards and this pays off when our clients go to sell their material.  Pre-show, we spent about six figures, I'd call that a good start.

Thursday, November 9th, was the first day of the show.  The weather was very cool and the show seemed a bit slow. I asked anyone that handled nice coins to show me anything of top quality.  We were lucky to find a bunch of nice want list coins for our clients so our new purchase inventory may be a little sparse.

An interesting observation is that for most series of coins, CAC bids are much stronger than non-CAC bids.  The prices for silver dollars are especially shocking.  As an example, 1892-O Morgan dollars have a grey sheet bid of $3000 but a CAC bid of $6000!  This reflects the commercialized grading of this series and the many over graded coins on the market.  Many silver dollars have similar differences in the bid levels.  An interesting note also is that a well struck true 1892-O in gem condition will sell for more than the $6000 CAC bid wholesale!  If CAC holds the line on their standards, CAC should continue to lead the market.  Gold coins that are scarcer also reflect a significant price differential.  The underlying message here is that over grading or commercial grading is destroying the price structure of many series of coins.  Look at the pricing of the silver commemorative series.  Stripping and dipping became the rage and nice MS-63 coins started to get graded as MS-65.  Over population ensues and bidders stop supporting the market, prices drop and then the series goes into free fall.  Franklin halves and Walkers have also been destroyed due to over grading.  Bulk submission gold and dollars have led to competition for grading fees and the services sometimes give the benefit of the doubt for a full point.  Grading needs to tighten up or the market may never recover.  Nice original commemoratives that are attractive still are desirable and real pretty toned coins are incredibly strong but buyers know to throw away the grey sheet when they find the truly superior coin.  The overhang of marginally graded coins drags down everything.

CAC is also not immune to coins that have no business being stickered.  For the most part I love the concept but every coin needs to be inspected with a jaundiced eye.  I saw some CAC coins that I thought did not deserve a sticker.  However, I’d rather have a poorly graded stickered coin than a non CAC coin if I’m a little unsure of my grading.  The other advantage that CAC has over the other services is that if you bring a coin to their attention that does not deserve a sticker they will buy the coin and take the sticker off.  Bottom line, they put their money where their mouth is.

I did spend a few hours reviewing coins for customers to help them with their grading.  I’m always happy to give opinions and pick out any coins that should be sent to CAC, held onto as they are or sold for a better example if it becomes available.  This critiquing is necessary for people to learn about the nuances of grading.

I also noticed that the people walking the floor are less educated about buying coins than they were 10 years ago.  Baltimore was a mecca for older educated collectors that flocked to the show years ago.   As that population aged, the knowledge was not handed down.  That’s why I try to spend as much time with people as I can to impart any tidbits that my help them.

One dealer I greatly respect had cases of affordable coins that he lets collectors pick through with no pressure at all.  When he was at the Long Beach coin show last month, he sold over $10,000 worth of these coins to knowledgeable buyers.  His sales in Baltimore were $143 of the same types of coins.  I asked him for his observation as to why there was such a divergence and he said the customers he spoke to in Baltimore have a fraction of the knowledge than the customers in California have.  I was shocked and I have no explanation for this.

This show surprised me in the sense that it was easier to sell a six figure coin than a low four figure coin.  Does this mean that big money which is normally smart money is picking off the classic rarities while prices are down?  At some point, there should be a filtering down for attractive lower priced pieces.  I don’t remember this phenomenon happening for a prolonged time period in the market before but it is happening now.

There is also one major buyer in the market place that has spent so much money in the past year that he is making some dealers careers.  One dealer I spoke with told me a couple of years ago that he had no retirement plan and didn’t know if he would have to work until his dying day.  Now he is making so much money he doesn’t know what to do with it.  I’m happy for him but again, smart money usually jumps in ahead of the market.  Let’s hope this is the beginning of something good for all of us.

on Friday, 20 October 2017 16:17. Posted in News

 

Pat Whitley sits down with Warren Mills from Rare Coins of New Hampshire. Today's Topic: Counterfieit Gold & Silver Coins.

This was found on the "Wicked Bites" Facebook page

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